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		<title>By: BIGuru</title>
		<link>http://economyincrisis.org/content/ohio-steel-towns-falling-wayside#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>BIGuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As we outsource manufacturing and keep importing more and more, this will be the new America. Get used to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we outsource manufacturing and keep importing more and more, this will be the new America. Get used to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://economyincrisis.org/content/ohio-steel-towns-falling-wayside#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? This is supposed to be news? Hell, the Jones and Laughlin Steel mill was history 30 years ago. That Youngstown is history HAS BEEN history for a long time now. We are now a third world economy pretending to be a &quot;world power&#039;; kind of like a once well-to-do aristocrat selling tours of the mansion. We have a lot of people living in &quot;Obamaville&#039;s&quot;; the modern equivalent of the 1st depression &quot;Hoovervilles&quot;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? This is supposed to be news? Hell, the Jones and Laughlin Steel mill was history 30 years ago. That Youngstown is history HAS BEEN history for a long time now. We are now a third world economy pretending to be a &#8220;world power&#8217;; kind of like a once well-to-do aristocrat selling tours of the mansion. We have a lot of people living in &#8220;Obamaville&#8217;s&#8221;; the modern equivalent of the 1st depression &#8220;Hoovervilles&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://economyincrisis.org/content/ohio-steel-towns-falling-wayside#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am from Warren Ohio...I grew up in this economically depressed area...a perfect example where  financial capital &amp; management tag teamed organized labor and begun the process of de-industrialization which started with the beginning of floating rates and the petrodollar phenomena...

MJC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am from Warren Ohio&#8230;I grew up in this economically depressed area&#8230;a perfect example where  financial capital &#038; management tag teamed organized labor and begun the process of de-industrialization which started with the beginning of floating rates and the petrodollar phenomena&#8230;</p>
<p>MJC</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
		<link>http://economyincrisis.org/content/ohio-steel-towns-falling-wayside#comment-480</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember attending my grandfather&#039;s funeral in Youngstown, along with my father back in the mid 1970&#039;s. Jones and Laughlin was dead even back then and so was Ambridge. Even in those days, when I was in my 20&#039;s I had a very strong feeling that something was going very wrong with the economy and the country as a whole. Now it is, as the first anonymous writer above has put it, indeed a 3rd world economy with no hope for a brighter future. In the meantime, Obama is having parties in the White House to the tune of two (on average) a week, replete with flowing liquor and lobster dinners for the attendies. This last part is information that is carried in the foreign media, not our own, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember attending my grandfather&#8217;s funeral in Youngstown, along with my father back in the mid 1970&#8242;s. Jones and Laughlin was dead even back then and so was Ambridge. Even in those days, when I was in my 20&#8242;s I had a very strong feeling that something was going very wrong with the economy and the country as a whole. Now it is, as the first anonymous writer above has put it, indeed a 3rd world economy with no hope for a brighter future. In the meantime, Obama is having parties in the White House to the tune of two (on average) a week, replete with flowing liquor and lobster dinners for the attendies. This last part is information that is carried in the foreign media, not our own, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: BIGuru</title>
		<link>http://economyincrisis.org/content/ohio-steel-towns-falling-wayside#comment-494</link>
		<dc:creator>BIGuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the time I talked to Jones and Laughlin Steel in mid 80&#039;s, after a successful process improvement of 400% with the Chinese steel companies - J&amp;L pooh-poohed us.  Same with Inland Steel and US Steel. At the time, the words &quot;Business Process Reengineering&quot; was not invented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the time I talked to Jones and Laughlin Steel in mid 80&#8242;s, after a successful process improvement of 400% with the Chinese steel companies &#8211; J&#038;L pooh-poohed us.  Same with Inland Steel and US Steel. At the time, the words &#8220;Business Process Reengineering&#8221; was not invented.</p>
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		<title>By: LEWIS </title>
		<link>http://economyincrisis.org/content/ohio-steel-towns-falling-wayside#comment-545</link>
		<dc:creator>LEWIS </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What will it take before we hold those in power accountable? They have tricked every AMERICAN into thinking that we are powerless to stop them.There were a million reasons why the banks and bankers needed our money rather than giving it to tax paying AMERICANS! This will come to a head sooner than later i fear and i can only hope were all ready.


                 WHAT WILL IT TAKE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will it take before we hold those in power accountable? They have tricked every AMERICAN into thinking that we are powerless to stop them.There were a million reasons why the banks and bankers needed our money rather than giving it to tax paying AMERICANS! This will come to a head sooner than later i fear and i can only hope were all ready.</p>
<p>                 WHAT WILL IT TAKE!</p>
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		<title>By: sasima</title>
		<link>http://economyincrisis.org/content/ohio-steel-towns-falling-wayside#comment-1513</link>
		<dc:creator>sasima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is depressing and grim picture of the present state of economy and employment. But, what to do?  What is our duty at the present crisis? Should we sit back and shed tears or should we ponder over the wrong doings and strive for a change? But for me we should keep trying for the change,for better.  Every thing is possible for a willing mind.&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ediblefruitarrangementdeals.com/fruit-flower-arrangements.html&quot;&gt;Fruit Flower Arrangements&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is depressing and grim picture of the present state of economy and employment. But, what to do?  What is our duty at the present crisis? Should we sit back and shed tears or should we ponder over the wrong doings and strive for a change? But for me we should keep trying for the change,for better.  Every thing is possible for a willing mind.<a href="http://www.ediblefruitarrangementdeals.com/fruit-flower-arrangements.html">Fruit Flower Arrangements</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://economyincrisis.org/content/ohio-steel-towns-falling-wayside#comment-1523</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny that I don&#039;t recall seeing any sad eulogies being written for our lost covered wagon factories.  No public gatherings for the 8-track-tape factories relegated to history.  No memorials for the DDT factories of old.

Look folks...progress happens.  It&#039;s not the fault of the Chinese.  WE obsolete businesses every time we create something new.  8-tracks nearly wiped out vinyl.  Cassettes wiped out 8-tracks.  CD&#039;s wiped out cassettes.  iPods are wiping out CD&#039;s.  And now we don&#039;t actually &quot;make&quot; anything anymore.  Music is beamed effortlessly around the globe at the touch of a button.  It&#039;s just the way things go if we want to live in a world of progress.  We continually learn to build things faster and, usually, better at a lower cost.  Sometime we figure out how to not build anything at all (besides a server farm to store music for download) That often means some competitors lose, and jobs are temporarily lost.  This speeds up during recessions.  It&#039;s just the way it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny that I don&#8217;t recall seeing any sad eulogies being written for our lost covered wagon factories.  No public gatherings for the 8-track-tape factories relegated to history.  No memorials for the DDT factories of old.</p>
<p>Look folks&#8230;progress happens.  It&#8217;s not the fault of the Chinese.  WE obsolete businesses every time we create something new.  8-tracks nearly wiped out vinyl.  Cassettes wiped out 8-tracks.  CD&#8217;s wiped out cassettes.  iPods are wiping out CD&#8217;s.  And now we don&#8217;t actually &#8220;make&#8221; anything anymore.  Music is beamed effortlessly around the globe at the touch of a button.  It&#8217;s just the way things go if we want to live in a world of progress.  We continually learn to build things faster and, usually, better at a lower cost.  Sometime we figure out how to not build anything at all (besides a server farm to store music for download) That often means some competitors lose, and jobs are temporarily lost.  This speeds up during recessions.  It&#8217;s just the way it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Bishop</title>
		<link>http://economyincrisis.org/content/ohio-steel-towns-falling-wayside#comment-1526</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

When the 8-track tape became unpopular (because it sucked), the plants simply converted to cassettes.  The same people continued to work.  When DDT was banned, the plants converted to other chemicals, malathion, methyl-isocyanate, etc.  The same people kept working.

When the Chinese started shipping ceiling fans to the United States, at one third the cost, the people who made ceiling fans were out of work, permanently.  The factories were closed.  The machines were sold for scrap metal.  Those jobs will not be back and there is nothing we can retool for that the Chinese can&#039;t produce and deliver at one third the cost.

Everything that can be manufactured can and will be manufactured in Communist China at one third the cost.  Every service that doesn&#039;t involve direct contact with the customer, or the customer&#039;s car, cat or cheeseburger, can and will be done in India at one third the cost.

Those &quot;promising&quot; biotech, nanotech and &quot;jobs as yet to be invented&quot; will also be done in China or India.  

Manufacturing creates wealth by adding value to raw materials.  This process requires massive amounts of labor.  When we were manufacturing products here, we had to pay middle-class wages and benefits to people with only a high-school education.  Now those people are earning a fraction of what they were earning in manufacturing.  Many of them are working two or three jobs as they try to hang on to their middle-class lifestyles.  Most of them were forced to &quot;start over,&quot; at a point in their lives when it was most painful.

The only way to save or bring back manufacturing jobs would be to impose import duties on goods from Communist China.  This would have to be done strategically, over a long enough period to allow U.S. manufacturing to rebuild and ramp up.

This is not going to happen.  The Progressive Obama administration has no intention of allowing the middle-class to return.  That would work against their goal to make more people reliant on the government and would thwart their plans to turn this country into a socialist Utopia.

Bruce Bishop</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>When the 8-track tape became unpopular (because it sucked), the plants simply converted to cassettes.  The same people continued to work.  When DDT was banned, the plants converted to other chemicals, malathion, methyl-isocyanate, etc.  The same people kept working.</p>
<p>When the Chinese started shipping ceiling fans to the United States, at one third the cost, the people who made ceiling fans were out of work, permanently.  The factories were closed.  The machines were sold for scrap metal.  Those jobs will not be back and there is nothing we can retool for that the Chinese can&#8217;t produce and deliver at one third the cost.</p>
<p>Everything that can be manufactured can and will be manufactured in Communist China at one third the cost.  Every service that doesn&#8217;t involve direct contact with the customer, or the customer&#8217;s car, cat or cheeseburger, can and will be done in India at one third the cost.</p>
<p>Those &#8220;promising&#8221; biotech, nanotech and &#8220;jobs as yet to be invented&#8221; will also be done in China or India.  </p>
<p>Manufacturing creates wealth by adding value to raw materials.  This process requires massive amounts of labor.  When we were manufacturing products here, we had to pay middle-class wages and benefits to people with only a high-school education.  Now those people are earning a fraction of what they were earning in manufacturing.  Many of them are working two or three jobs as they try to hang on to their middle-class lifestyles.  Most of them were forced to &#8220;start over,&#8221; at a point in their lives when it was most painful.</p>
<p>The only way to save or bring back manufacturing jobs would be to impose import duties on goods from Communist China.  This would have to be done strategically, over a long enough period to allow U.S. manufacturing to rebuild and ramp up.</p>
<p>This is not going to happen.  The Progressive Obama administration has no intention of allowing the middle-class to return.  That would work against their goal to make more people reliant on the government and would thwart their plans to turn this country into a socialist Utopia.</p>
<p>Bruce Bishop</p>
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		<title>By: BIGuru</title>
		<link>http://economyincrisis.org/content/ohio-steel-towns-falling-wayside#comment-1533</link>
		<dc:creator>BIGuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;cite&gt;The only way to save or bring back manufacturing jobs would be to impose import duties on goods from Communist China. This would have to be done strategically, over a long enough period to allow U.S. manufacturing to rebuild and ramp up.&lt;/cite&gt;

I could not agree more. Strategy is the key. EIC has shown how to achieve this. Unfortunately, the same workers in the government that survived many Presidencies are dumb enough to understand this. The two groups in our country are polarized to extreme left and right and causing the havoc you see. One group wants to increase government jobs like Greece because they have no idea how to create private and value added jobs. The other group wants massive private contractors so that they can be one after retirement making many times the money (see Washington Post article &#039;Top Secret America&#039;). The same group also do not understand true production philosophy and hence supporting the outsourcing of America.

There are few smart people left in the government that wants a better America and influence the outcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>The only way to save or bring back manufacturing jobs would be to impose import duties on goods from Communist China. This would have to be done strategically, over a long enough period to allow U.S. manufacturing to rebuild and ramp up.</cite></p>
<p>I could not agree more. Strategy is the key. EIC has shown how to achieve this. Unfortunately, the same workers in the government that survived many Presidencies are dumb enough to understand this. The two groups in our country are polarized to extreme left and right and causing the havoc you see. One group wants to increase government jobs like Greece because they have no idea how to create private and value added jobs. The other group wants massive private contractors so that they can be one after retirement making many times the money (see Washington Post article &#8216;Top Secret America&#8217;). The same group also do not understand true production philosophy and hence supporting the outsourcing of America.</p>
<p>There are few smart people left in the government that wants a better America and influence the outcome.</p>
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		<title>By: True Blue</title>
		<link>http://economyincrisis.org/content/ohio-steel-towns-falling-wayside#comment-2578</link>
		<dc:creator>True Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell me, did you find it hard to type with one finger in your nose and a thumb in your butt? President Obama&#039;s TWO years in the White House have nothing (we&#039;ll repeat that for some of you) -- NOTHING -- to do with the steel crisis in Ohio. Nothing. 

The death of Ohio steel isn&#039;t Obama&#039;s fault. It&#039;s not the media&#039;s fault. Grow up.

Unless, of course, you think President Obama was in the White House in the 1970s and 1980s. By the way, do you like to ride the short bus. Do the kids pick on you? They don&#039;t make fun of your dragging knuckles and unibrow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell me, did you find it hard to type with one finger in your nose and a thumb in your butt? President Obama&#8217;s TWO years in the White House have nothing (we&#8217;ll repeat that for some of you) &#8212; NOTHING &#8212; to do with the steel crisis in Ohio. Nothing. </p>
<p>The death of Ohio steel isn&#8217;t Obama&#8217;s fault. It&#8217;s not the media&#8217;s fault. Grow up.</p>
<p>Unless, of course, you think President Obama was in the White House in the 1970s and 1980s. By the way, do you like to ride the short bus. Do the kids pick on you? They don&#8217;t make fun of your dragging knuckles and unibrow?</p>
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